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So...how do I build a dart?

2008-06-16T01:06:03Z

So Darters...

I want to build a dart, after years of slinging single and double chains, and I was wondering how to best configure it? It appears that a long skinny knot is better than a big round monkeyfist, so I was wondering...

A 4-strand braid out of rope wick, (snakes style)?

or a catherdral fold out of a flat wick?

Does anyone know any knots to make a long skinny fuel-holding object of mayhem?

What kind or rope is best, length, thickness etc.. for the rope part?

Any input would be appreciated folks!

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rope dart in tempe/phoenix, AZ

2008-06-10T05:03:45Z

I have been doing rope dart for couple years now and just started burning. I spin with Stage 6 on Wednesdays but there are no other rope darters. If anyone is from the Phoenix Metro area and would like to get together to practice let me know.

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Tail Knot Debate

2008-06-03T00:12:00Z

Does anyone else tie a knot at the non-dart end of their rope dart? Every dart i've ever ordered was un-knotted. I've never roped without one, or a "Dragon's Tail" as i prefer to call it, usually with a bit of rope frill hanging out the back of the knot for decorative purposes. The reasons for the knot are: so i know when i'm out of rope and have something to pinch on to if i'm blindfolded and can prevent it from flying at bystanders; it adds a bit more play to the non dart end that forces you to play with/be wary of the dragon's tail as it can whip you quite hard; and for using the dart as a whip by grabbing the dart if so desired.

Share your thoughts and experiences please.

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Rope Dart in Houston, TX

2008-04-11T05:39:07Z

i just started learning this, and i know one other Houston-area guy that does it too. are there any other folks out there who might wanna get together and practice?

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Look Ma! No hands!

2008-03-17T02:38:33Z

i've been getting decent these days on manipulating the dart without the use of hands--shooting it off the forearm, legs, neck, teeth, shoulder--whatever to keep it moving, the closest thing to a hand grab being pinching the dart with your wrist by moving the hand down to pinch the rope in the crease and/or changing wrist rotations slightly to effectively control the dart. Pretty crazy stuff, i highly recommend trying it. The hard part is developing the sudden ''shuddering'' force to loose the rope wrapped around your arms or legs to cause it to shoot off. Anyhoo, lemme know your thoughts and feelings on this :p

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We need your input on our future rope dart and meteor designs.

2008-02-27T02:23:52Z

I want to thank all the fire community for all the input you guys have provided to us and, and I would like to get some more feed back. Trick Concepts will be introducing Meteors and Rope Darts within the next month or so and we want to make sure we make them how you want. Our tentative plan is to offer several “poi type” fire head options for the wick, followed by 1 ft of twisted link chain and then securely attach it to a rope. Up to this point, I think it is fairly straight forward. My big question is what type of rope is preferred. I am looking at the following options:

1. Kevlar with Kevlar core.
2. Cotton bondage type rope
3. Soft braided cotton with Nylon Core
4. Cotton with steel cable core.
5. Twisted cotton

We will consider offering more than one option if there is a lot of different preferences.

Here are the advantages and disadvantages I see with each. There may be some factors I have forgotten.

1. Kevlar with Kevlar core: This is a good durable rope with medium flexibility. It is pricy, but the price is no prohibitive. I am mostly wondering if there are any undesirable properties, such as hard on the hands, etc.

2. Cotton bondage type rope: This will probably be your softest and more flexible rope. It is probably also the weakest, but at ½” diameter, it should be plenty strong.

3. Soft braided cotton with Nylon Core: This rope should be easy on the hands, and quite strong with the nylon core. This is a fairly flexible rope. I am not overly concerned with the nylon melting, because it is encased in the cotton and there will be good separation between the fire and the rope. This rope may have slight design patterns in it because it is used for nautical purposes. If the demand is sufficient, we may be able to have it custom made or dyed.

4. Cotton with steel cable core: This is a unique option because it can eliminate the link chain. The handle part can be made of soft cotton, and it can be striped down to cable on the fire ends. This makes for a continuous tool with no links, chains, knots or couplings along its length. Because of the steel core, this rope will be a bit stiffer. We currently only have this available up to 3/8” diameter, but we can probably find larger if there is a demand.

5. Twisted cotton: The twisted cotton will probably be harder on the hands and will be fairly stiff. This rope has the option of being braided back upon itself for a clean loop.

If you know of another type of rope that we have missed, let us know. We have ruled out any ropes that will melt.

What size rope is preferred? I was planning on using ½” or similar.

Do you prefer a stiffer rope or a softer rope?

Has anyone made a meteor that has a rigid handle in the middle, with chain coming out each end? I would make it from an aluminum tube for the handle and put a chuck swivel on each end. I am not sure if this has been done, but it would be like a looser version of a segmented staff.

Anyhow, this is your chance to influence our designs before we start making product. We greatly appreciate any input.

~Jaz

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Costa Rica

2008-02-26T10:37:57Z

So i´m in costa rica... i got my stuff ganked at the airport, which included my Staff, Dart and a set of poi... Wondering if anyone out there is in Costa Rica? looking for place to either pick some up or just someone to spin with? let me know!

love and light
keile

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Heading to Costa Rica!

2008-02-02T02:07:24Z

I'm heading to Costa Rica on February 11th, I'm heading down there with Lynx and Melissa. We will be performing down there and looking for peeps to jam with! Anyone around there? We will be there for 10 days and fly into San Jose then head to the west coast beaches.

Love and Light
Keile

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Web Videos

2008-01-29T18:59:42Z

anybody know of any good instructional video [clips] on the web? user Seraphus (i think) on YouTube has some good ones that have taught me so much in a short period of time. Seraphus, if you are reading this, please keep up the good work!

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Ay Yai Eye!

2008-01-17T05:46:35Z

Has anyone tried closing their eyes and just 'feeling' the rope and what they are doing? i started doing so about a year ago to the day and i can do roughly 90% of my repertoire blindfolded now, with some complications on certain leg wraps and blindly catching the dart at the end of the routine in the pull back at the end of the full extension. The main idea is to just maintain tension on the rope the entire time until you can ''see'' where the rope and the dart is at any given point in time. Eventually you don't even have to focus on ''seeing'' it and the movements should be extremely natural and flowing by that point, as if you're almost psychically controlling it. Maybe i'm just crazy or what, but i found i've gone leaps and bounds in my training since i started smoking green to heighten sensitivity and relaxingly shutting my eyes to feel it.....it's really just great for letting go of tension, almost makes the manipulation of the dart meditative. Bam.

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But why is the Rum gone?!

2008-01-17T03:50:47Z

Not sure if everyone here is quite as nuts as i am but has anyone tried "Drunken Rope Dart"? i'm not talking about just incorporating drunken forms/moves into a rope dart routine but also getting quite hammered during practice....it's really quite something. i find i can get my dart moving at insane speeds due to the lack of care about being hit by the dart which is only about 6 oz in the first place, with very minor to non-existent injuries ensuing. i also find i teach myself a lot of new crazy moves, wraps and shots owing to the ever-changing state the mind is in complemented by the looseness of the body...really gets the joints limbered up :p.

Here's the warning: i'm a fairly accomplished alcoholic and i practice my rope dart everyday. i'm also a pothead and find i get an instant Zen state from a puff, especially in combination with good old boozeahol, which really gets the creative juices flowing. i'd highly recommend trying this out, you'd be amazed what you can do when you're trashed. Seeing as how me and my friends are drunk and/or stoned most of the time, we find it necessary to train in these dizzying states of mind due to the fact that we are probably going to have to use them in said state should the opportunity arise. Not the best idea for everyone, but if you can handle a mean stinking drunk and want to allay any fears of the dart for an enlightening practice session, try it out. i recommend a good bottle of plum wine or 2 to be drank throughout the workout or some good Saké or a few good beer (6 should do in the course of an hour or 2). Hard liquor tends to tire one out too quickly and make your movements sluggish, but everyone is different. Should be interesting to see what comes out of this.....enjoy!

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Florida

2008-01-15T22:02:30Z

Any rope darters in Florida. I just started playing and would like to meet anyone else out there. Also any help on where to buy a good fire dart or haow to make one would be appreciated.

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video

2007-10-25T18:19:28Z

a rope dart video for you...

i'm more of a tech poi performer, just started w/ the rope dart...mainly fascinated by the tie up type tricks contained within...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=ITYAmxJQMGQ

suggestions and feedback welcome...let me know what you think...

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My First Vid!!!

2007-09-26T00:35:42Z

Tell me what you guys think!

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1929165177477280065&q=EOI&hl=en

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Any rope dart or Wushu teachers in the East Bay?

2007-09-25T13:29:58Z

So I missed the class at the Crucible...still looking to add some rope to my flow...anyone wanna throw down some wisdom? Or simply get together and play?

Any fire-wushu players out there? I'd love to connect, any tools any time.

Drop me a line when yr mind divines,

Cat

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Rope Dart in Shaolin/Tibet

2007-09-25T02:22:13Z

Guys,

I am competing in a competition in China. I was the top selected athlete for the US. Part of the competition will be held in the Shaolin Temple (with the cooperation/sponsorship of the Shaolin Monks) and Tibet.

I am going out there and representing rope dart, hook swords, pudao, and mantis. I will be dropping some lines and posting some vids. Wish me luck.

Oh and shot out to Frank (traditional rope dart guy) from New York who I saw at Capital Classics in Washington DC this past week competing. Your rope dart was nice, I hope we can jam out some more!!

Hyun

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Burning Man dart jam!

2007-08-26T16:37:13Z

Coming to Burning Man? Bring your dart by Camp DDI at 4pm Thursday and play with us!

Don't have a dart? Bring a bunch of rope (1/4" or 3/8" nylon is good) and a small bottle of water, and we'll make you one.

5:00 and Esplanade. 4pm. Thursday.

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Rope Dart Instructional Video (taught in English)

2007-08-20T22:59:17Z

Guys,

I have decided to release a rope dart instructional video with a major martial arts company. The video takes you step by step through rope dart basics (just as you would learn in China). It is a 9 week program, with 4 weeks of basics, and 5 weeks of going through an entire form. The form is a traditional rope dart form (this video does not contain advanced tricking i.e. 720 body wraps, 540 neck spins, split throws, etc.,).

Last year I won the Walt Disney Wide World of Sports Martial Arts Festival Overall grand champ with rope dart. I have also competed all over the world including China, South Korea, South America, and all over the US with rope dart.

The video is being sold on Amazon, Ebay and www.martialartsmart.net

Please see the links below:

http://www.martialartsmart.net/dvd-dk001.html

OR

http://www.amazon.com/Rope-Dart-Wushu-Instructional-English/dp/B000V5J25I/ref=pd_bbs_sr_2/103-1406947-3116659?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1187642739&sr=1-2

If you would like to see me run and advanced form, or if you would like to trick out or even compete. This is my competition schedule for this year.

1. Washington DC (Capital Classics- August 31)
2. Orlando (Walt Disney Wide World of Sports Martial Arts Festival - October)
3. Chicago (WuBin "Jet Li's coach" tournament - November)

Thanks everyone, and keep training...Jiayo

PS Check out my article in this month's Kung Fu magazine, I give a little shot out to all the spinners out there (You guys rock!!!!)

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So how big is your head?

2007-07-27T04:26:01Z

Mine "only" weighs one pound and is slightly larger than a baseball. Okay let my clarify -- no South American witchdoctor has shrunken my head (although, the mental image makes me grin), but this is the weight and size of the wick I use on my ropedart.

Tog (a member of my fire troupe, and this tribe) is always commenting that he thinks that this weight is excessive. I on the other hand don't understand why he uses such a "light" rig. I feel that a "heavier" setup allows for better control, especially during extensions
(aka... during throws).

My only thought is that my paticular style, one that uses lots of extensions and wraps, as opposed to a style that is focused more on flow, works better with a "heavier" head.

I'm curious what everone else uses on their ropedarts. Weight, size, and why you prefer / think that a lighter or heavier "dart" is better. Also, a brief description of your paticular style might help spread some light on if this is partially effects your choice.

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Tetherball

2007-07-27T04:21:31Z

i've noticed in a lot of vids that the performers very often have their rope dart tethered to one of their hands. i started that way, but quickly got away from it as it felt restrictive. Do you guys tether or do open-ended roping?

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sharing ideas

2007-07-27T00:33:18Z

so i wanted to share some things ive figured out..jus to get em out there
the firs one is a kick but instead of the rope/circle spinning verticly the rope is spunn
horizontally like a lasso.
you spin the rope from your right to left above the head..the rope should be about 5ft of play
you then bring the circle down and in front of you
as the rope spins close to your left you raise your left foot and catch the spin with your toe
making a smaller circle and a shot
i like this one cause you can spin with the rope and decide to kick it in any direction 360

the other is a continuous neck wrap
you start with the spin going from behind to infront
play with as much slack as you can get awaywith without it hitting the ground
then wrap 3 times on your neck
on the third wrap switch the spin to the other side of your body alowing it to unwrap
you have your choice of quickly switching left to right to make a fast small circle of fire on both
sides of your head or letting the wrap undo twice then switching back and rewrapping

the neck burn is a pain in the neck.....
but its butifulllll

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Fire Dart Class at Wildfire

2007-07-21T04:32:46Z

Hello Fello Darters,

If you are wanting to learn more fire dart mves, and meet other darters, come to Wildfire!

Wildfire is the largest festival specificaly for performing artists to learn and to share. No spectators, just fellow performers. We largely cater to fire people.

The festival is in southern Connecticut, in early June and there are only 50 tickets left.

Follow my Tribes to learn more.

-Scott

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Fire rope dart in Taipei

2007-05-13T17:25:29Z

hi~

this my first fireRD video,holp u like it!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLGjDKG5dxU

www.firemosa.com

Firebao^&^Love

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darts wear out

2007-05-10T14:36:13Z

The worst and only cathedral I have ever made. RIP.

http://photos-147.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v80/67/37/9700117/n9700117_30177147_7961.jpg

Happened during a performance. The airplane wire I was using to hold it together finally gave way. All I knew was that my dart went out a lot sooner than it normally does. Thankfully it stayed mostly together so no one was hit.

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kick plane transitions.

2007-05-02T04:01:31Z

I sortof mentioned these on a thread over winter. Things have thawed, so it's time for me to turn talk into show. The move is done PAINFULLY slow here, and always with my left leg (my right horizontal kick is about one in three).

The theory is that when the dart head is at the end of the shot, it has no residual motion and will return in whatever way you pull it back. Practice isn't that easy, because we've most only returned a shot by pulling into a vertical plane descending spin. A little arm-flick can make that a horizontal plane return instead.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0PxnTtJ4ds

So vertical kick to horizontal is pretty straight forward. Horizontal kick is somewhat more difficult. You want to get the rope to come around near the heelside of your arch( If you have boots, they make heel moves like this eaiser, what with the raised heel. ) The release is a strange flicking motion, where you pull your heel out of the small circle. Might help to twist the foot too.

don't mind the sleepy dog behind me.

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resources:

2007-05-01T22:25:15Z

So, I'm preparing to teach a rope dart class at Firedrums. I did one last time, and it wasn't that great. This time I want to break down the motions into traditional and showey motions. I'm pretty good with showey shit, but the traditional stuff, I could use some brushing up. So I went back to my store of Kung Fu films, and Youtube.

In terms of old hokey Kung Fu videos, I suggest anything form the Yen Wo Ping family, specifically "Drunken Tai Chi" has some amazing dart work done with a paintbrush on a rope.

But youtube vids, I can share.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZMM0ESgXrA <- I LOVE the "shao lin, Shao Lin" song in the background, for camp value. For content, this guy is very good at interjecting very simple shots inbetween complex body wraps. I find it useful to see other people's permutations on wraps. His strengths are the wraps and his use of very simple shots, most are either hand-thrown or from the elbow.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSt_6cUHLYU&NR=1 <- A chainwhip demo from what looks to be a Wu Shu competition. Here, there are NO SHOTS, but it is kept f'in awesome with some cool bodywraps and amazing bodywork. The breakdancing moves towards the end are sweet too. Kudos to whomever adapts that for fire.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgzEr7qTQd <- Another Chain Whip, this time from Choy Li Fut, a southern style. Note the precision of this guy's planes, and also how he uses his left hand a lot as a second point of control on the weapon. It's really hard to see at the beginning, but suffer through the first bit. Very attainable style.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhW67MBO8M8 <- Discovery channel special? either way, the guy they have demoing is very good with behind-the back elbow moves, a move that I am so abysmal at that I have sortof given up on. Also, the clay pot bit at the end is cool. Gives good definitions as to what a dart and a meteor hammer are.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2l8yrhVS5Fc <_ Matt, from SF is a good dart spinner, does very well as supporting cast for the hoop, and his shot accuracy is quite impressive (Even though it might not show too well in the vid, as the cameraman was more interisted in hoop)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jA_ScHVGzR8 << This is a trailer for some instructional DVD. All I can say is that this guy is amazingly good, even though he seems to have his head down.

Now, to all of you who think that there wasn't enough shots in the first fe kung fooey videos, check out this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSS3XH2zsvI <<This guy is technically very good, he has a whole lot of shots, and he uses them in good succession. The vid lacks the explosive cool of the kung fu guys because it's just tech, it's just a showcase of individual moves, all connected with a hand-held spin. interjecting long wrap sequences makes ALL the difference in the world.

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Two person dart

2007-04-20T13:55:16Z

Last night I was experimenting with catching and returning someone else's dart, as well as a few simple wraps. Has anyone else played with these? what works well?

On another note, I made a new dart, out of a pillow that goes "boing!" when you hit something (someone) with it. The thing does not fly very well, but is quite fun to play with.

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Now i'm in denver... but for good.. well for awhile

2007-04-16T00:04:21Z

Hey everyone, out in Denver for a few months now and looking for peeps to do some fire with and hang out. Let me know who's in the area, would be great to meet some new peeps

peace and light
keile

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Boston rope dart

2007-03-27T21:08:57Z

I've been into poi for a few years, and picked up rope dart a couple months ago. I've eaten up what I can find on the internet, and absorbed a fair amount of classical chinese rope dart into my repituar. Long story short, I'm looking for folks in the Boston area who are either well versed in rope dart, or wanting to learn and experiment with it, or even better, BOTH. There's a weekly poi/firespinning class held at BU that I attend regularly where anyone interested could meet up and play.

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Fire Dart Class!

2007-03-26T21:13:16Z

Yeah, weird concept, I know.

So, Mystress Fyre over at The Crucible (Oakland, CA) has convinced me to come teach a class there. I guess it didn't really take much convincing, actually...

I teach people dart moves all the time at jams and stuff, but some people learn better in a structured class sort of environment. So, there it is. Class size is limited because darts take a lot of space, so if you or someone you know is interested, best to sign up sooner rather than later.

More info: http://store.thecrucible.org/product_info.php?cPath=1_5&products_id=2296&osCsid=45158d6a31774a250572cdf90f5bb5e7

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In Dallas, Tx for 3 weeks...

2007-03-12T21:50:58Z

Hey all... heading down to Dallas for training for 3 weeks wondering if there are any rope darters down in the area looking for some jam sessions? I get into dallas march 11 in the evening and leave april 1st. Would love to get together with peeps, Also after i get back from there i will be moving out to Denver, Colorado to start a new job. I will be up and running out there April 9th. Again would like to get with some peeps in the area and meet some new people. Hope to see some of you soon

peace and light
keile

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so it is finnaly getting nice in minnesota

2007-02-20T13:48:42Z

30 degrees,
you might not think thats warm but its heavenly in minnesota right now
just came in from spinnnn'n and i didsomtin i havnt done before thought id share

so
from a spin from in front and high to low and behind
extend your left foot out in front at chest level or so
and catch the spin and wrap it twice on your foot
put down your foot with dart twined on the end
switch stance and kick the mother off

simple but fun
and you look cool whil takein a breath

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VIDS! foot and leg stuff.

2007-02-20T13:47:41Z

More semi-instructional videos! Now with 100% less fishing hat, by volume! Speaking of volume, I'm stealing music from hard working musicians, so these vids will probably vanish soon.

The Fakie Kick. It's just a leg wrap followed by throwing it between your legs. Kick for style.
http://www.prism.gatech.edu/~gte483u/dart/fakie.wmv

Foot flick. Aka "dusting the feet" aka not a kick.
http://www.prism.gatech.edu/~gte483u/dart/flick_0002.wmv

Yay! I put a little more thought into camera angles and that, but then did a really quick and dirty job editing 'em. Discuss!

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Heading to denver next week starting the 28th....

2007-02-14T17:44:40Z

Looking for some fire performers and rope darters in Denver! Let me know if anyone is up for some fun! Been wanting to meet up with the denver peeps ever since burning man! Let me know.

peace and light,
keile

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not realy a topic of discussion

2007-02-10T00:57:36Z

its more ofa story
so me and my bud brent got together last night for some whiskey
we drank and spun some fire.
it was ok, realizing we were nowhere near where we wantedto be
we finnished a bottle of jim and half a bottle of some cinnimon 100 proof shit
now let me tell ya
brents into the whole kungfoo ill kill you with a toothpick thing
and he beat the living shit out of me throughout the knight
and the someone "prolly me" had the great idea to spar with fire rope darts
all i gotta say is drunk on fire on ice .
set the mother fuckers head on fire first off.
and i dont know how it happened but he got me on my crown
and i was eating snow for about five min
b;ut
through the drunken inferno we both realized that coreography with 2 rope darts. \
has the potential of being realy bad ass.
we were doing alot of tandem moves.
some give and take shit.
neadless to say im all busted up

love j

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rope instead of chain?

2007-01-13T06:47:34Z

wonderin if anyone has found a substitute rope like kevlar or a resistant cotton to replace the chain at the end of your fire darts.
the chain is realy fucking with my control..
anyone?

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i love beats

2007-01-07T15:40:38Z

who else but a beat will leave you with such a fealing of satisfaction and joy
and they dont stop there
oh no
give it a day and you are reminded of your time together
again and again
oh bloody beats
mmm
Fuck there good

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Rope Dart Construction ?

2006-12-05T20:06:11Z

Hi everyone. My name is Albie, I'm new to rope dart, and I absolutely love it! I have a back ground in poi and staff work. I made my first dart 4 days ago out of an 8ft piece of # 15 ball chain, put a caribener on one end so I could loop the chain around my wrist.
At the other end I have a small cathedral wick that came off a set of poi because it's twin went missing.

It's rather heavy due to being chain and takes some wrist muscle to get it going. What would be the best rope to use to replace the chain ? I'm assuming I should leave a small piece of chain so that the rope isn't caught on fire.

Any all replies are greatly appreciated!!

Love In Light,

Albie

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Meteor hammer ropes?

2006-11-30T15:45:48Z

ok im trying to learn meteor hammer, without any instructors... im pretty good with just watching ppl anyway but w/e ill get it eventually. anyway im looking for rope to use for it, ill be tying the end in a monkey fist because im not too good and dont want to hurt myself too bad, so far all i can do is some simple wraps around the hand and neck, but anyway ive been practising with a 6' rope thats 1'' thick and that wont work into a monkey fist so it has a knot instead, but i love this rope because it is EXTREMELY soft and no friction at all, i kno its some kind of polyblend or something because i was just at a store about to by 50' of what i think was good rope that was 3/8 inch and was going to make it into two 20' ropes and one 10' rope as an extra.

so does anyone know what exactly kinda rope i should be trying to get for meteor hammer, eventually i will add wieght but i do have to make a monkey fist just because it makes for soft impact and im living at home. btw im not 20 im a lil younger but pretty skilled in something ive never done before.

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Machina Candeo at LA County Fair

2006-11-27T01:25:44Z

there is a clip of our rope dart choreography starting at about 1:18.
Its the last part of the piece..where I solo...and I was a bit tired too....six shows that weekend...and the choroegraphy got a bit loose too by the end of the piece.....but hey..its something.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBioOp9wJEs

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Kung Fu "Bird kicks the branch" video

2006-10-20T00:58:53Z

Finally got around to making a video of the traditional kick. The older one I showed was the cheat method of "catch-return". This is the right-on continuation of the motion. This is also possibly the most destructive move I know. Good luck and happy learning.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQOCm7KD7pM

Also, as an aside note, Shaoxing wine is rough stuff. Seriously rough. Like worse than Night Train and Mad Dog/2020 put together.

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Wal-Mart?

2006-10-10T22:09:33Z

What the hell is tribe doing advertising for Wal-Mart? Here's an even better question. Why is it a post on a fire rope dart discussion group? Am I the only one who is completely disgusted by this?

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wanna play in portland?

2006-10-05T22:55:44Z

Looking for some rope-darters in portland...or if traveling through give me a shout.
*squishes*

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Which kind of rope?

2006-10-04T17:56:12Z

Hello, I'm learning the rope dart by myself, with a home made rope dart, but I think that cotton rope gets to rough and holds some movements, and polyurethane rope burns my hands... any suggestions?

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there any freaks in minneapolis

2006-10-03T01:02:00Z

jason in minneapolis here
just wondering if any of you pyros are minneapolis based

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where do these fire rope dart shows happen?

2006-09-30T16:31:51Z

where do you go (i noticed sand )what beach would your guys do this .

also what are you lighting on fire a lighter fluid filled tennis ball or something?

ive been doing rope dart for about 6 months and ive gotten really good for not being taught it. i use a makeshift rd and my kicks the branch has pin point accuracy. n e ways i got a cottage up at sauble beach ontario id love to see some one come out there if so i;ll join in.

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It's request hour!

2006-09-30T03:15:28Z

I just checked youtube and noticed that I've gotten aproximatly 2400 views on my little videos that I slapped together. This is incredible. It started out as me being bored one day in my crappy warehouse in south oakland, and exploded from there, but I've not done anything more in nearly two months (probably because of the work for 2πr and DDI), but I'm done with other projects now, and I am really excited about getting back into making videos.

On my slate are the following:
Scorpion's Tail
Horizontal Plane simple wraps
H-Plane empty knots
H-plane tricks
inside/buzzsaw motions and how to access otherwise difficult performance spaces
(And those are the easy bits Here are the difficult bits)
Complex wraps and escaping complex wraps with a shot
double leg empty knot to heel-kick (aka the wu-shu spry bastard move)
basic acrobatics
a giant cathedral wick how-to (including powertools! Yay!)
Make a website where I can showcase these videos and put google ads on, possibly create a Fire Rope Dart forum somewhere.

Any feedback about these great plans? Anything you people want to see sooner than later? Anything you think needs re-done from the older vids?

~Sam

p.s.: I've sortof been hedging on spreading the li jen heng video, and I think I'm going to stop sending it out, the more I make these, the more I feel an attachment to my works. If anyone can show me that his videos are opensourced or not copyrighted, I'll spread them. Otherwise I assume them to be intellectual property of sifu li jen heng.

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New York Rope Dart

2006-09-29T16:48:14Z

Any one in New York Rope Dart?

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silk rope

2006-09-27T19:30:26Z

has anyone tried using silk rope?

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Ad hoc rope dart camp this year at BM

2006-08-18T16:46:33Z

Dance Dance Immolation Camp has unofficial become a darters camp. At last roll we have Ian, Musashii, Sam, myself, Nicole and I think I'm forgetting someone. I don't know if we'll plan a jam or anything, but if you find us and whip it out, I'm sure that someone will come over to play with you. This has been known to happen at DDI camp meeting and events.

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awesome video

2006-08-17T16:58:33Z

I really like this guys performance, I wish I could see if the rope dart is at all involved in the series of kicks at the end

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9YWdPEg10HY&mode=related&search=rope%20dart

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new ropedart vid of someguy

2006-08-11T21:52:16Z

there is a new training rope dart vid i found on youtube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BU6P0ZBqQg

he seems pretty good,.is there any way to download youtube vids?

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move ideas/semi-tutorial number two

2006-08-09T12:37:57Z

here are some more moves i have figured out from the fast kung fu torney vids.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2nxjX9jDnM

hopefully seeing them done stationary and slowly will make it easier for beginners to figure them out.

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Dart Training Video

2006-08-05T18:29:31Z

This is a huge video (538M ) that I will hopefully get around to down sizing some time soon!

Sense this is so huge please download it rather then stream it =]

http://tribe.singefire.com/fire_rope_dart/rope_dart.DAT

this is an awesome video!! It shows a lot of really cool complex moves over and over at different speeds and from different angles. I have a lot to learn from this one.

When ian joins the list he will have a lot of insite about moves he has learned from this video and a few movies.

enjoy!

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Changing direction

2006-08-02T21:07:44Z

Sorry if this has been brought up before, but I did not see too much about it.

Most of the forward I have figured out shots require the dart to be spinning forward near the ground, and the ones that don't are week and hard for me to aim. Are there any more interesting ways to reverse the spin than letting it stop in it's big circle? Turning around sort of works, but only relative to you. I have also found a sort of leg wrap thing that either reverses the direction or hits me really hard on the back of the leg. I don't think it saves any time, and I look like a dog peeing on a fire hydrant. Are there any graceful/quick ways of changing direction?

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move ideas/semi tutorial vid

2006-07-31T18:44:01Z

this is a vid i have done of some moves i havent seen done in a vid /tutorial vid before.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMxPiUZyIPc

i have tried to do them slow so you can see how they are done but have purposely not done a step by step.
most of these moves i made up/figured out trying to do another move i had seen in a video,
so i think it is good to try and work out how it is done.

was this any help to anybody?
if anybody could post up a tutorial of how (cant spell it) chyang jee (i think) "the king of rope dart" does neck wraps it would be appreciated.
never could quite get it right.

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FireDrums IV Sept 28 - Oct 1

2006-07-31T00:36:50Z

http://firedrums.tribe.net/thread/9b3ffac0-4268-43ff-ab20-62784aa1490e
Please check out this thread and join us for the 4th FireDrums gathering in the beautiful Santa Cruz Mountains September 28th thru October 1st.

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a quick vid of me from a while ago

2006-07-27T13:05:40Z

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69CLqTsgYI8

this is a vid i did when my nephew wanted have a mess around with the camera.
i was just starting rope dart again after a break of a few years, as you can see it is very sloppy.
i have got quite a bit better now :)

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little video

2006-07-12T23:43:03Z

it's short and I screw up a bunch in it but i still think its nice to watch

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcfb0lHPoYU

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Meteor Workshop?

2006-07-11T05:23:49Z

I was wondering if anyone would be interested in learning or teaching meteor in a work shop in the bay area some time in the near future?

I was thinking of maybe just holding the workshop at a nimby jam one of these sunday nights. or we could do something during the day on say hippie hill some sunday afternoon?

I would love to teach anyone for free even if you've never touched a meteor before. We could even cover how to make a simple cheap practice meteor out of some rope and weights.

anyone interested?
any suggestions?

Let me know if you'd be interested and ill solidify a date and time.

Jared
jared@deadlyicon.com
415 574 8221

Please reply in the Fire Meteor tribe http://fire-meteor.tribe.net/

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new empty knot vid

2006-07-07T16:48:57Z

In honor of the 14th Dalai Lama's 71th birthday, I give you version two of the empty knot video. It's my first stab at PremierPro2, so I don;t know how to do a few simple things (like SlowMo) yet.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efQR7aaN-eU

Comments? Should I break it down further, or teach it as one fluid motion? I decided to teach it here in the Wu Shu/Li Jin Heng way, of breaking all the steps apart with front-side spins, then put it together at the very end. Was that jump too abrupt?

Also, does it make any sence that I teach it from the right side, then demonstrate it on the left? (I just noticed that)

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Bad rope dart target.

2006-07-06T19:19:42Z

Hydrogen filled balloon.

do you think that is a conceivable bad idea? I would guess that rope dart is long enough to make it possible, as long as the balloon did not some how get pulled back.

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Practice Rope Dart?

2006-07-03T16:36:11Z

I do fire staff, nun chaku, and devil sticks but lately I've been wanting to get into fire rope dart. Anybody have some good advice on how to make a good practice dart? I'm kinda on a budget and trying to avoid lots of spending.

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relatively new. hard to find a trainer

2006-07-01T18:18:19Z

I have been looking around for a trainer or teacher but i cannot find one here in new york. i have been using some nylon 1/4'' rope with a tennis ball filled with small pebbles and covered in duct tape. any suggestions????

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Anyone in Toronto?

2006-07-01T18:07:55Z

Anyone doing rope dart in Toronto?

I'd like to learn, but I think having someone to practice with will help.

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Lessons my sifu gave me: Sensetivity

2006-06-10T22:26:16Z

So a few weeks back, I met with my sifu from Shao Lin Dao, and we talked a lot about chain whip, rope dart, and comet (ropedart like weapon, the thing in kill bill). I showed him my moves and basic shots, and he thought it was good, but that I was fundamentally missing the point.

Body + neck wraps: Sensitivity:
He took me first to 9 section chain whip, and told me to swing it in the wall plane, and on an upswing, stick my left hand in and make a circle within a circle. feel the circle, and make the smaller circle flow inside the big circle, to be able to smoothly control the circle.

Then take the little circle across the body the same way. Smooth.

From that motion, the neck and leg wraps come from, In chain whip, the wraps are to accelerate the whip into a strike, so watch the speed as you decrease radius. From the neck wraps, work at letting go of the rope and compleatly controlling the dart from your neck. Move it back and forth in continuious wraps. Staying in a wrap for a long time will be extremely uncomfortable, and you'll get more and more sloppy the longer the wrap goes. Just work at it, make them all crisp and in distinct planes.

-----------------
Next, shot from foot, reversing direction, "bird kicks the branch"
As the dart is decending infront of you, you wish to shoot out forward, low. As it decends the foot kicks towards the dart end, and the dart shoots straight out. Looks really easy: Big trick.
Break the motion down into two steps. Catch with the foot, and then return direction. As the dart decends, stick the foot into the plane, and as it hits, yield to the motion and "catch" the dart with your foot.

From the dart resting on your foot, kick it out and into an acending spin. This goes back to sensitivity excercises, you aren't just flaling at the dart with a kick, it is a controlled and slow motion, just executed together, smoothly. The biggest thing is to remember however you do it that it is a catch, then a kick out. That way you can be much more surgical about where you are shooting towards, and not just fireing it wildly.

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folk life

2006-05-26T17:17:28Z

anyone gonna be at the seattle folk life? hit me up befor i leave for it ^_^

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fire arts expo

2006-05-23T22:06:01Z

i'mm guessing you guys know about this one?

http://www.blackrockarts.org/

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Weekley Dart Gathering

2006-05-02T16:09:11Z

Greetings! I've been a silent watcher on here for a while now- but I think I would like to say a few things... I would really like to get an organized dart group in san francisco on a weekly basis. preferrably in the Aids Memorial Garden.

so I wanna know- what nights can other people be there? I can get down any night of the week after 8 pm, but I would like it to be a weekly training regimen... with the majority being other darters to train with.

Do let me know if you are interested in getting together for this. also: are there any musicians reading this? if so, please let me know if you would be interested in bringing some music. I've only got a little dinky ipod with external speakers.

Thanks! Cheers,
C

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Handsfree Contact Dart

2006-04-24T03:49:21Z

Something I've been playing with the past few weeks. Its pretty fun although a little on the scary times when you get the wick bouncing around you head.

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Movies with cool rope dart sequences.

2006-04-10T22:29:15Z

I've seen Jackie Chan bust out the rope dart using rope and an horseshoe in Shanghai Noon. There's the scene in Kill Bill with the modified chain dart, though she didn't do much with it. I can't remember which movie it was, but I recall seeing Jet Li use a firehose like a ropedart, nice improvisation. I haven't seen a flaming dart in any movie though, has anyone else?

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Any Canuckleheads?

2006-04-04T03:22:52Z

Lookin for people in the Alberta area to train and exchange techniques with. Self taught, about 2 years of about daily training to my name.

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Sharing Creativity

2006-03-26T15:24:33Z

Greetings all...

I've uploaded a pic of my fire dart I have named, The Dragon's Tail. How I came up with the idea is a long story that involves how I went a little crazy when I lost my Memory....

Since it's creation there have been several adaptations to the Dragon's Tail, mostly to make it lighter...then bigger...the change is continuious really... On a side note if anyone would be interested in having one built/customized just send a message and we'll talk more.

See you in the sea of fire.

~Beloved Dragon~

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Video

2006-02-25T21:01:48Z

I've always noticed a shortage of dart videos and and training. My friend Myron sent me this link and I had to share.

http://www.immortalninja.com/HOP/RD/RopeDart.htm
maybe this can be helpful, I'm working on some of them but the fire rope dart seems a bit to weighted for some of these, to me its all about flow, I don't pull out a move in a performance until I'm flowing with it.

Its amazing how many peope are not into doing the dart. I'm always getting comments on how cool it looks from other performers, yet only a handful have picked it up. Maybe the long rope is intimidating but its so easy. I think I played with one for about 5 minutes before I lit it up, I had made my own by the next night.

For me the dart bring my martial arts training full circle. When I started poi I used my footwork from martial, then went to staff and found the martial helpful but had to shit can most of it for a more thearical style. Then I found the dart and now utilize and expand my martial training.

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OMG THIS PLACE EXSISTS!!!

2006-01-05T04:56:40Z

I've been learning 'manriki' or rope dart technique for about ½ to 1 year.
I'm super stoked to see other people enjoy swinging!
I'm trained by a fellah who trained himself for quite some time. I love this idea of fire on the end. really! anyone from washington?

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Kicking/shooting out darts

2005-12-30T10:21:19Z

Hey guys,

I'm relatively new to the chain whip/rope dart thing. I've got wraps down pretty well, but I'm having trouble with the kicking out/shooting out/releasing move. I'm not sure what the right term is for it...

As I swing the dart down, when it's at about 6 o'clock, if that makes sense, I'm kicking the rope quickly, which, on occasion makes the dart fly out. Usually though, the rope juut wraps round my foot, or gets caught on my foot, and the dart doesn't end up flying out.

Any suggestions? Perhaps I've got the whole thing wrong from the start.

Thanks guys.

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Dart Videos

2005-12-06T01:37:04Z

As we all know there are only like 6 dart videos of which only 3 or 4 are worth watching. Most of the dart prople in this tribe are scattered so its hard to learn from each other.

If we all make a video of our moves we can help teach each other and increase the online documentation. I'm sure we have all come up with moves that we have never seen anyone else do before so lets make some videos and get what we know out there.

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YO!

2005-12-04T02:17:19Z

I'll be in San Francisco for NYrs and am curious of any workshops or lovely folks willing to teach some fire dart tricks. Limited by my location, ya know?

-j

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Rope Dart (metal one, not fire)

2005-11-23T21:27:35Z

Hi,
Do anyone of you know a good way to prevent rust in a real rope dart (made of steel)??

I think that painting or varnishing won't be of much help since the dart may (and in some moves it is intented to) hit the ground sometimes and I think it will remove the paint, varnish, etc...

Luiz Borges

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fire rope dart construction

2005-11-05T02:19:43Z

allright Zach
How exactly do you make a rope dart?
Lareina

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Moves for performance...

2005-10-26T05:20:26Z

There's this standard set of dart moves. You know the ones -- they're on the wushu team video, the ones that show up in the martial arts competitions. They're all centered around dart-as-weapon. Lots of release dart from this, release dart from that... running and kicking and moving really quickly and precisely. Cool.

So, what about moves that have no practical application for poking people with a little metal spike. What about moves that flow around and around, that leave nice fire trails... I want to learn more of those, but I've sort of exhausted the internet video resource.

I've been coming up with stuff lately on my own, but it's slow going:

Reverse the direction of the spin on your foot instead of using your foot to project the dart outward. People do this with poi a lot. This turns out to be really handy -- you can build open knots without ever turning your body, just stand there and kick the dart around til it's all wrapped around your body, then let it go. Nifty.

Stuff in the horizontal plane. I know very little of this. Stuff like, spin the dart above your head, then drop under your legs and jump over it, maybe with a high kick. Also, there's this nice one Jared showed me where you let it wrap around one leg (skipping over it with the other foot), and then when there's still about 1.5' left unwrapped, you reverse the direction with your other foot.

Infinite neck wraps. It turns out you can wrap and unwrap your neck forever, reversing the dart on your elbow, letting it drop behind your back, spinning around with the rope across your shoulder. I'd like to learn more to do with this too, since it seems like there are a lot of possibilities.

What about the rest of you? Any moves that aren't designed to fend off the marauding hordes?

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Beginner dart

2005-10-25T22:27:19Z

I managed to completely miss at least two opportunities to learn dart stuff in person, and now I'm trying to learn on my own, so I was wondering if I could get some help to start off with. :) Because Google turns up NOTHING. Or rather, it turns up encyclopedia articles. Not tutorials.

On the making of them- I've heard from other people that they should reach from your shoulder to just above the ground; this tribe seems to be saying they should reach from the ground to your head or higher. Is this a factor of styles?
And advice on making practice darts out of household stuffs would be neat. (Mostly just the weight on the end. I assume twine is good enough for the string, especially if you braid it and use a softer material for the grip.) What I've been playing with so far is a chain-belt-thing with a Koosh ball attached to the end, and it is fun but way too light.

On the use of them -- any information you have beyond basic spinning would be more than I do. I am very familiar with poi and staff, if that will help you explain stuff.

Thank you very much in advance. :)

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Fire dragon(rope dart)

2005-09-27T13:34:56Z

hi~~folks
I learn Fire dragon(rope dart)almost 2 years in Taiwan~~
I have very Good teacher,He learn rope dart 40years
next time I will to share pic,movie to everyone.......

firebao,Taiwan^&^

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bay area visit

2005-09-24T16:19:29Z

Hey everyfolks, I'm visiting the bay area today for a week and would love to see some meteor spinners or jam etc. How many folk go to the jam sessions that occur, like NIMBY or the one in golden gate park? Let me know what's up.
START OF PLUG
In related news, COME SEE MY CIRCUS. I'm not in the show per se, but come see us. circuschimera.com A highly great one ring circus in a real tent (but no real animals) that costs less than a movie.
END OF PLUG

Later,
Jim

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Yo

2005-09-17T23:28:16Z

Yo, I play with rope dart and meteor (fire) and joined to get connected and hopefully meet some of you to exchange moves, learn, etc. NIMBY'S on sunday, any other jams? Singe, I met you sat. at the park.
Thanks, Peace

Gantt

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Rope Dart & Meteor Gathering

2005-09-08T20:23:33Z

Everyone spins poi or staff but there are not a lot of us meteor and dart people out there. I would love to take advantage of burningman to learn and teach what we know.

Id like to arrange a Rope Dart & Meteor Gathering on thursday durring the day. Hopefully in a large shade structure of some kind, we're not going to get much done in the hot sun.

If anyone has any suggestions of were we might hold this little gathering of large swinging objects let me know and I'll repost when we find a good place.

Thanks for the help, hope to meet you all soon

SINGE

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neck wraps and glasses

2005-08-13T00:14:59Z

So, has anyone here managed to do the nifty neck wrap/unwrap/wrap move (where you switch your head from one side to the other real quick) while wearing glasses? Whenever I try it, the rope catches them behind my ear and they go flying and I have to scramble around on the ground to keep them from getting stepped on. I feel especially dorky if I'm spinning fire when this happens...

Like, is there a left-hand component to that move that I'm missing, or do I need to turn more, or should I just get contacts...?

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a suitable punishment?

2005-08-09T07:01:17Z

My erstwhile friend took the rope offa my dart and used it to tie up some stuff to haul outta my apartment. On the one hand, I'm glad that stuff is outta my apartment. On the other hand - my dart rope (!).

I got it back, the rope is fine, but still. What is a suitable punishment for this blatant disrepect for the integrity of my little buddy dart?

All suggestions will be considered and much appreciated.

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random

2005-07-16T08:37:22Z

huh, was just talking to some friends about how cool it'd be to do rope dart with fire and then did a random search for "wushu" on tribe and found this.

i practice wushu and know a little rope dart. do you guys learn just by watching videos? crazy.

i have a couple rope dart training videos. and a few clips can be found online, of course.

http://www.wushucentral.com/videos/miscellaneous/library/flexible/zhong_qiyin-rope_dart.mpg

http://www.wushucentral.com/videos/miscellaneous/library/flexible/li_jin_heng-ropedart.mpg

http://www.wushucentral.com/videos/miscellaneous/library/flexible/nian_yuehao-meteorball.mpg

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rope dart popularity

2005-06-17T20:17:53Z

Why do you suppose that the rope dart is comparitively so much less popular than poi, staff and hoop (in that order)? Or is this just in SF? is it very popular elsewhere? Ideas on this?

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the main photo

2005-06-16T20:35:44Z

I just wanna give props to Luxotica, whom I took the PIC from for this tribe. Thanx.

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